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Okay, now that that’s out of the way, I gotta say that PTSD flashbacks are a bitch.
Oooh, I think I might be able to see where this is going in a few releases. Not that I’ll say what I’m thinking, don’t want to contaminate the natural narrative.
Being stuck in zhe hospital is kind of like zhat, one minute you have all kinds of guests and trying to be clever enouzh zhrough the fog of being medicated to hope to be visited again, zhen BAM! All you have to do for hours is watch Ivenmozhs court on zhe wall. Poor Elim, I’ve been zhere too, trying to heal via sheer willpower, or in dis case, Elimpower.
Zhat said, here is hoping the author of OOP’s sister comic Learn to Live a good healing as well. Way too much of being ill in the past couple of years for all of us, zhough being shanked by a Yinglet exile is entirely optional.
Whaaaat, this comment section ends at just three comments? I thought it was supposed to collect an Most Annoying Comment Bingo? It’s already got a “first” comment and a “I figured out where it’s going but I’m not gonna spoiler” comment, you can’t just stop here. Slackers.
I am suspicious too, but we got a comic of a Elim looking at the ceiling and remembering his glory days when he did not have to ask for help to use the chamber pot. Dere is a notable lack of Yinglets, Isher, or even de annoying medical folks to comment on. Poor Elim did not even get Ivenmozh’s version of a medal for being wounded in the line of duty from de trademaster, which should be a source of betterness zhat even de Yinglet Matriarch thanked him before his own people did. I’d be kind of down too.
Elim might be feeling bitterness….not betterness >_< silly humani keyboards are NOT made to be typed on wizh 16 fingers.
Well just gives me time to makes up anozher clams-song… or fires-song… or don’ts drop ze clams in za fires song… or don’ts pat-pats ze cute Kass an Elim mozhs too hards and squish song…
Nikkary, for what follows below dis, I blame thee.
One of the moths has Elim’s coloration, and the other moth wears the Val Salian red. Is that coincidental?
Might be part of what triggered the flashback.
Sort of reminds me of that girl’s house colors on Ran’s special lesson page:
https://www.valsalia.com/comic/out-of-placers/intermission-a-very-special-lesson-with-ran-ste-su-gmindel/
For zhat page, zhe color question I wanna know is why one of Ran’s students has de same color clothing as our best boi Yinglet Lopin’s outfit. Perhaps dere is a connection to zhat noble’s house?
That girl was likely the daughter or at least niece of Kella Talleraine from page 106, so this gives me another theory: this moth, erm, “get-together” is a metaphor for Kella and Ran “complicating things” at this very moment.
Can I co,e with a little bit of a critique about insanely thick sword on the last frame? It just looks so… off, with everything else in this comic being very much within logic and reason.
I know, a nitpick to a minor detail, but only because I found everything else so great that this little detail was a tad jarring.
Is so so thick, yes? But you are thinking of a steel sword, which are less so, but zhere is no evidence of ValSalia being a steel age society. What Zhe sword looks like is a Bronze age Sogel Sword in shape, minus the Guard, which existed, but were rare due to Bronze’s weakness, in which case de sword’s flare itself served as a hand guard.https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a1/85/7f/a1857fed7dcc05ca0cbf42a040ed5651–swords-and-daggers-bronze-age.jpg
Excellent research. I’d also like to bring up that European swords usually followed the mentality that if you swing something thick and heavy enough it doesn’t need to be that sharp to hack through another person. (I imagine most conscript’s blades didn’t stay that sharp after a bit of fighting if they even started properly sharpened to begin with)
Zhanks, Doc! And for de swords being so so sharp, one has de problem of de sword breaking if it is sharpened too much. Too little sharp, and it only breaks bones, but too much tapering at the point of zhe edge, and zhe blade would crack when struck. Zhere is also de color of de sword Elim is whacking at, but adding zinc to molten bronze gets you a very pretty silver color, often seen on modern coins.
I do have to point out that it is just not true. Look at actual historical medieval swords. They are in 1-1,5kgg range. Pretty light, with blades as narrow as it can be with the materials used. Even two-handed person-sized greatswords are no heavier than 4kg.
And the sword here looks like its made of steel. Well, its steel-colored. So it is very much unnecessarily thick and thus heavy here.
But again, nitpicking for the fun of it.
My take is zhat dey are not medieval swords zhough. Zhe sword in de link I posted is a dead ringer for zhe sword in de pic, minus zhe fancy, fancy handguard zhat de boss puts on as artistic license. And I already posted about zhe adding of zinc to molten bronze to make de pretty silvery sword zhat one can also use as de mirror in de morning for de shaving. As far as I can tell, it looks very much like what actual bronze swords like the one in the link I posted looks like do. But I do remember dat dis is but a comic, and while the boss does try, zhings do sometimes look different in a entirely different world zhan zhe one called Earth.
“zhings do sometimes look different in a entirely different world zhan zhe one called Earth”
That is an excellent point that I need to be reminded of from time to time. “dog” is not dog in Valsalia, but it kinda is. Then, of course, there’s the courtesy of suspending disbelief that I catch myself forgetting when enjoying a work of fiction. Why is the barbarian lady just wearing a plate mail bra? Because it’s fun. Why is that sword impractical? Time to sing the FUN song.
To continue nitpicking for fun…
A sword shaped as shown in the pic would definitely be useful, assuming the tip comes to a quick point. It would be short and not have much of a reach advantage, true, but it would be highly maneuverable for stabbing and point contact. Moving the CoG towards the hilt would make that tip VERY maneuverable (and stabby).
Of course, the shortness of the blade and the “pinch” near the guard could also mean that this is not a sword at all, but could be a spear/lance tip. But yes, it’s more likely a sword.
As a Yinglet, I appreciate most things zhat go stabby stabby. If zhis is a bronze sword, it would not really lack a reach advantage as Bronze being weaker as a material compared to steel. De bronze swords really tended to be short and fat to keep de sword from simply breaking. Dis was one of de major reasons Bronze weaponry went out of style, dey could not make dem long enouzh or thin enouzh to be wielded easily to face a opponent holding a steel sword, and against de harder Steel, dey would often break.
Dat said, if Steel swords were not a zhing, dis kind of sword as shown would be a wealthy soldier’s weapon vs Elim’s Mace, which would be easier to use and mass produce. Dat Elim got stabbed in his previous combat experience, we can only hope we don’t see the rest of de flashback, where dat pretty sword is sheathed in Elim most likely.
–Except for that Wisdom of the Ancients diagram which clearly showed a process for steel, among other useful things like the germ theory of disease. Yes they know what steel is.
From Dis? https://www.valsalia.com/comic/out-of-placers/oops-136-field-guide-antiquities/
Yes, it is shown that humans know what materiels go into steel, zhat is true, zhough most useful types of steel are alloys, so de “knowledge of de ancients” would be somewhat incorrect anyway. It is also shown in zhat page about antiquities zhat it refers to knowledge but wizhout a ability to use zhem, ergo “Concepts” was in de heading of zhat section for a reason, as zhings like de Bessemer process would require many, many advancements to make steel commonplace zhan were ValSalia currently sits I zhink. Or you may be possibly right, zhough incorrect about adding a “Ton” of zinc to make de shiny color, where just a mere coating of zinc imbued bronze over a more ordinary blade would give the sword a shiny color zhat resembled the steel zhat the Antiquities are made of at times like dey do on Earth for Chrome, but wizhout the actual knowledge to make a properly forged sword made of differing alloys at different parts of de sword, and properly hardened too. A noble would be under a lot of pressure to look like zhey are in posession of rare and special items from de past that grant victory by merely existing, even if dey don’t actually have zhem. If dey can’t get ’em, dey Fake it.
They’re clearly applying some of that “lost” knowledge, like disinfection in surgery. All the knowledge Ran mentioned I think he did for a reason, all the best gifts of the ancients. It’s not a stretch to say they’ve got decent iron and steel. Of course not cheap though. Nothing at all is cheap in a civilization run on animal power.
De best evidence of you being correct is found in OOP002 where de door hinges zhemselves are grey, like dey are made of Iron or steel. Zhis is as was put above, nitpicking, as a simple color pallet choice years ago would never be believed is de main source of discussion in de comic years later but rest easy, we likely have indeed caused de boss’s hair to have fallen out from stress from reading our long, speculative posts.
But zhat is the fun part of loving a comic like dis, where we still have no idea what species Isher really is, or what “zhat zhing” really is, or would Elim volunteer to test one if found? What Valsalia’s human population is represents a post industrial society, and speculating on how dey get along is part of de fun as fans of de comic, and yes, some theories are bound to be wrong, and yes, I hope dat big ugly ass sword is not going to find itself buried in Elim’s guts, but we wait and see, looking for clues to the world Kass lives in, and about the Characters we have been following for years.
So, am I saying you are wrong in believing there is widespread use of steel? No. Am I admitting you are right? No. But I am having fun imagining both as a possibility, and look forward for seeing more clues about how zhigs work in dis world.
Don’t forget the swords — and their *RECIPE* for *STEEL*… The evidence, while not super abundant, is pretty strong and 100% positive, to the point you have to invent stories about bronze swords painted in zinc to justify them not having steel.
Until the author says otherwise, I’ll assume they’re steel.
Great thanks to SpecificYinglet for being so patient and repetative with the login instructions. I hope I don’t come bearing too bad of news for zeir speculation on metallurgy, but I am hoping zey might like the perspective of a welder, hobbyist blacksmith, and noob historian obsessor. I’ve taken 3 months of a beginner metallurgy class… watchout!!! lol I could always be wrong in the history but in the basics I am not.
I’m seeing some confusion between bronze, usually a copper-tin alloy, and brass, a copper-zinc alloy. Both can have all three but each has it’s two as majority over the other, at least, and the more the merrier particularly for bronze, which is most hardenable, aka holds an edge longer and is most effective in war, at about 30% tin. Bronze can also have nickel and chrome, and aluminum which CANNOT exist at this level of technology but is useful for even more hardness, and at best is a very dark brown but still distinctly brown and not gray. It rusts pale green.
Brass can also be made with lead, pewter and silver, and is paler than copper, usually a yellowish tint, and rusts white. Brass is NOT good for impacting things, like maces, hammers, ball-and-chains and stabbing weapons. MAYBE you could get away with a slashing weapon but it’d shatter at the first block, so really, not really viable. Today it’s used for gas piping as it’s very predictable under internal pressure, easy to bond with itself, and WILL NOT SPARK, which is it’s main draw and why gas workers use mostly bronze and brass tools. But mostly bronze. The fancy rich among them and jewellers, use pure copper hammers and stuff, but… why?? Like 4 times as expensive. Pure flex, works worse if you’re not hand-working gold and silver.
The designs of the weapons we’ve seen really indicates to me cast iron and wrought iron at the least. Cross-guard like spikes on both swords and guard pole-arms. Nails in cart wheels not tons of bands. There being just about NO brown tones on any weapons we’ve seen whatsoever, OR with the bronze axes EXTREMELY EVIDENT browns. And finally… the ball-and-chain that Kass uses in the 2nd prelude page is the clearest there, not the door hinges of the comic proper, they’re fine, you can make bronze hinges just fine and like grease them black. But Ball-and-chain? Still without chain or metal wire (provable wire at least, it MIGHT be anything when it’s drawn as a line like that), but THAT high an impact weapon just is NOT viable in bronze. It would NOT be a sphere still if it were bronze and had that many dents. It’d be a bullet shape, tear drop, dome with flat foundations. It dents instead against weapons and rock. It’s cast iron. And with the same kind of motions rock-slingers shatter stone projectiles against other stone. Bronze is a little more BENDY than stone but definitely not hard enough not to crack, deform and decouple from such a string/wire, if you so much as GLANCED a rock or even a particularly hard wood too many times.
They really wouldn’t be that advanced if they ONLY had iron. The earliest date we have is from around 2000-2800 BC!! Though it’s disputed that the carbon dating might have come from ancient trees at the time, the very minimum it could have started was 1000 BC!! When Carthage only started EARLIEST in 800 BC, it is just Euro-centric idiocy and probably racist butthurt that East-Africa did it first and didn’t really bother doing much more with it (oh man!! the potential of world domination! how dare they make us look terrible!) while Egypt Greece Persia and Assyria were all fighting mighty wars (both millitary and trade) in vast empires to track down way rarer tin and copper and buy or sieze it. While Etheopian tribes were just, chillin with their iron spears, scaring lions off.
Anyways that’s irl metallurgy and history. Obviously this is a post-supernova colony on an alien woooooorld. It might not even be iron but maybe some locally hyper-common type of uranium, which is super hard dense sharpenable and ductile in different states, and if it weren’t deadly before it became lead thru radioactive decay, it would be an awesome building material! Are they even human, maybe they’re mega radiation resistant they OUGHTTA BE living through a freakin supernova, maybe they’re ALL part lizzzzaaaarrrrds, *eye boggle expression*
I mean it don’t have to make total sense from an earth>tech>timeline perspective. I’m giving perspective and science is all.
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Bronze can be made from many things, and so can brass the other half of copper alloys, but at no point will EITHER of them be shining gray OR able to keep shape as repeated blunt impact weapons. Sharp stab and slash, yes, blunt, NO. Ancient bronze age civs either used rocks and clubs, or swords spears and at best picks in battle, as hammers had to be the best of bronze and had poor lifespans seeing as we’ve found so few of them, most fractured. Brass is yellow and rusts white, bronze is brown-orange and rusts green like copper, iron gray and rusts red (rust is usually specifically what iron oxide is called but not gonna nitpick). We’ve seen that red in spots, I have not seen green. I don’t think it’s FAR in the iron age but they definitely got some. The crossguard on that sword above would absolutely break off if bronze.
Real life iron smelting probably began at LEAST over 3000 years ago, possibly 4000 aka as old as the pyramids, in what’s now Etheopia and the areas around them. Isolated from Egypt and the Nile by mountains and thousands of miles. It was about 2800 years ago that Mediterranian civilizations made it. It was only 200 BC when India could reliably make wootz steel in large quantities, in Europe that capability made an entire new age within 300 years when in India it had been available for 800 before that. Iron technology is a vast expanse of potential, between post-greek early roman Galleys to ships-of-the-line in colonialism to ironclads before they even counted the iron age over and the industrial revolution truly began. They needn’t be VERY advanced to even export iron. They already have designs for distilleries, 400 AD, world-class sailing ships, 1200 AD, crossguarded swords, 1000 AD, and pottery turning which involves pulleys which can be used for treadmil cranes the workhorse that built the castles of france and later europe. 900AD but treadmill cranes were ABSOLUTELY around in year 0. The point is that it’s a grab bag of a comic as far as real world historical tech. It’s most interesting features are actually the BIOLOGY of this series.
But Kass had a ball-and-chain precursor to the flail. If it were bronze it would be a blob not a neat sphere mildly dented. If it was brass, well, it would be very new and an expendible shrapnel weapon, shatters against stone when at a blurring speed. Discussion over, bronze would blob brass would shatter. Bronze axes indicates bronze making is still partially used by at least disorganized bandits, but at the least Val Salia is ahead of things.
Oh, what is za name of zhis strange storm I have wezhered…(upon seeing de post above) o_O
Um, ya know what, nice post. And ya welcome from de bottom of my furry bottom for me posting de “Secret” mezhod of logging in for easier posting. Glad it helps!
As for de “Meat” of de post, you have de point zhat a lot of zhings belonging to de trademaster are represented by the color silver. Even if zhings like Elim’s shirt clasp, or Yinglet’s jewlery are copper. It could very well be why Drinlan (may her memory be forever honored) lost de war.
As for the metallurgy bit, well, on Earth, de Egyptian God Osiris was often pictured holding a flail well before Iron was common. And if you read my post, I agreed brass sucks for weapons, but I was instead talking about “White Bronze” or in modern use, the alloy Cupronickel, which is often used as a plating over a copper/bronze core, and a plating of de stuff would give a very brown bronze sword a very nice silver color, de way it does wizh modern Earth coinage.
Having stuff zhat looks like steel would be a very effective way of avoiding a war against a foe zhat lacks steel as well. De post started wizh a comment on de boss’s sword design being far too fat for a steel sword, and thus unrealistic. I replied wizh a pic of a very similar in scale and shape bronze sword from a era zhat had no common steel weapons on Earzh, and off to de races we went! I still zhink to could be eizher way from de evidence dat zhere is steel dere in ValSalia, but was handed down from previous generations, and may no longer be made wizh what dey have on hand.
Zhanks again for de good postings! And look forwards to de reply, it ought to be interesting.
lol sorry, I spent like a week staring at this discussion and tried like 3 times now to post, forgetting each time that the usual post button is flat out disabled. I guess I got a little overexcited to actually be able to get on the site.
Egyptian flails, more like ball-and-chains, were made of stones and either leather strips like whips, or rope. That’s fine, just eats through rope every year and needs careful looking after leather. There might be metal studded bands round a rock with that, but they’d still flatten quick on misttrikes, and it couldn’t be entirely metal until iron that’s better than cast-iron. A rock can dent that.
Ehhhhh. But welding simpler bronze to itself is hard enough in the forge. There’s like a 40 degree range that’s just under it’s melting point that lets you join one brass to another, without modern arc-welding techniques it’s far easier to just melt and re-cast. Welding dissimilar things like bronze and cupernickel would be next to impossible. If you’re making white-bronze weapons just make it all bronze.
There’s 3 or 4 ways to make a metal coating on another metal. One is electralysis, and even if you believe the ancient aliens crowd with the pottery zinc-and-lime batteries from the ancient Middle-East, such things wouldn’t give nearly enough current for nearly as long as you’d need to sublimate a carefully mixed bronze onto another. At that point make it an aluminum coating and call it a day.
Another is what they use for gold, and that’s to hammer basically plates and foils onto the thing then using a CANDLE with delicate precision, seal it on there. It only works for the thinnest of coatings, and the thing about that method is that… well, if the coating isn’t something that holds an edge, then you either A, have to bludgeon them with useless spears and swords, or B, grind away the coating until the edge is bared. With a double edged blade like this one, you then have the issue that… it’s a metal sandwich, you need some glue to hold it on there. Or a wrap or a pin, all very visible fixes, and really, too complicated.
The third I can think of on the top of my head is the blacksmithing method of “san’mai” which is to weld 3 pieces of metal together that can be welded, have the middle bit sharpenable and the outer bits for show or soft enough to let the tool flex and bend without snapping. It’s a specific bit of low impact forge-welding. Again, though, bronze has like 50 degrees of accuracy required to weld bronze to each other. And I’m talking about temperate that’s not lower than 1625 F and not higher than 1675 F. That is SOME precision using fire and air. I don’t doubt that trickery like that wouldn’t be viable, but for that to work even, there’d have to be iron-capable societies out there. Val Salia is so centralized and trade-centric that it would be easier to get that information themselves rather than spend that much craftsman effort in trickery rather than, yknow, making more nails, tools, hammers, cart axles, WEAPONS. Having their better guards have options on weapons is way more efficient than preparing weapons and outsides with serious cleanliness standards, getting it to the specific temp to hammer them together, and doing that, what… 100, 200, 500 times? I dunno, the city doesn’t seem like it’s that big. Maybe their reserves.
About the design for a steel sword. Yeah, you’re completely right, that’s definitely a bronze age design type. It stands in for what crossguards do later, protect the handle grip from sword-crossing and blades running down each other’s edges. In bronzework, a crossguard like we know it would snap off fast. So would cast-iron, and wrought iron would just cut with the strenght of combat. It takes actual steel for that design to work. So early iron age would have the same problem, that the same design could fix.
It seems to be a pretty… weird perspective thing, though. Honestly, if you consider his hand is maybe about 4-5 inches across, add maybe half an inch for armor, then his mace is… weirdly tiny for something that relies on mass to damage things, I hope the head is strangely long in comparison. The sword in that metric can’t be more than 2.5 feet long if it ends in a period appropriate taper (narrowing). In that sense then, a shorter sword with that kind of thickness wouldn’t be terrible to a grown and trained man to wield for hours. It could just be uneliable mental imaging though, yknow. It’s a hallucination, not some kind of mathmatic-problem solving vision with handy rulers, theorums and maps floating about. Yes, it’s somewhat inefficient, especially without fullers to widen and lighten the metal down there. But it would still be a technological “arms race,” pun intended, at this point. But I think rather, that Elim in this vision is standing right up against someone shoving his sword up and looking down the length of it. It’s probably still tapered but not nearly as much as it seems.
There’s the fact that the mace is dark gray like iron, and the sword bites it too. Bronze could do that, but it’d be a lap-joint, there’d be bits of mace on one side squished and bits of sword edge on the other!
… I did it again. Oh well.
De weapon dat I am de most curious about is Kass’s actually. It made a very early appearance inhttps://www.valsalia.com/comic/prologue/02/ as eizher a ball and chain or studded wood and rope which he kept tied around his belt when not in use. For somezhing Kass could use as a Yinglet, zhat if indeed Kassen had a degree of proficiency should still be zomezhing Kass de Yinglet should be still able to use, even if having to be made somewhat lighter. Yinglets prefer spears and stabs, but I still want to see Kass be more zhan a (reluctant)maiden in distress. Perhaps feeling guilty about Elim may encourage her to train in self defense a bit more now she knows how to punch.
For de Egyptian flail, ye are right, zhough I’d not want to be slapped in de face wizh rocks or bronze bits. Ouchies!
Elim’s hand mace is shown in de prologue as being de color of aluminum in daylight, but has gotten darker, and darker wizh time, being grey when he was stomping Yinglets after being stabbed, and now dark grey, zhough lighting and a bit of PTSD being a factor here. De “Beletam Sword” (de sword in question) is also shown twice in https://www.valsalia.com/comic/out-of-placers/oops-95/ zhough always at an angle dere too.
Further, bronze has an obviously different color than steel, unless you put a ton of zinc in it, which is unlikely in a preindustrial society.
They definitely have steel. That’s completely and objectively verified.
But what if these fakkers were given steel from the gods, and said that stuff is cool, lets make a sword out of it… and proceeded to make a steel sword the exact same way they made their bronze swords? You can see a lot of the same thing in architecture, where a lot of elements of wood building find their way into stone, at least at first.
In a post collapse society, zhings are lost, like how Roman Sculpture was lost after the collapse of the Roman Empire on Earzh, but a large part as to why it was lost was zhere were lots of Sculptures out zhere, far more zhan dere were need for new ones. So it’s possible to have steel, but at de same time, not be able to make more, as much was lost over time.
As for the absolute fekkers making de steel sword de same way as a bronze one, dat exactly was de reason for dis entire thread. As a Steel sword, it’d suck. Steel swords changed how swords were used as dey enabled de combination of lightness and length dat in a fight were unbeatable by a similar sized bronze one. De Steel equivalant for de Beletan Sword would be a bastard sword, or a hand and a half sword, which similar in size, yes, but look far, far different, not because its anozher world, but using such a long steel sword means its thin due to weight. Bronze swords were thinner at the top for speed, and thicker due to bronze’s weakness in the main blade. De one I put a link of was how bronze swords did hand guards, and why dat shape existed, as few soldier s benefit from losing hands or fingers.
Here is a hand and a half sword for comparison, which is de longest sword dat was commonly paired wizh a shield. https://www.martialartswords.com/blogs/articles/what-is-a-hand-and-a-half-sword-exactly
Steel isn’t lost. They don’t just have steel they have the recipe. The article mentions, in the present tense, that someone is making better steel than most people and won’t share the recipe for better steel. Which flat out says other people have steel. You can try to argue for that conclusion all you want, but it’s just wrong. There is zero evidence for the idea, and absolute proof that it’s not the case.
As a steel sword it would suck but only compared to the optimum steel sword someone could make. Bronze and steel have about the same density, so a steel version of a bronze sword would not only work just fine, it would probably be better than the bronze sword in that shape in every way. “This could be better” is not “this is impossible”
It’s not like every culture MUST say “oh yeah we have steel now its european styles”. Many cultures had the same material and (for a variety of reasons) cranked out a lot of different and amazing shapes.
There are dozens of reasons why the sword could be or look that thick.
Artistic liscense (the sword just doesn’t look scary if its drawn thin) , in world stagnation, that particular fighter is some kind of honor guard, that particular guard went into combat with great grandpas sword, they looted a museum on the way through and his other sword broke, that isn’t even metal its some kind of hardened insect spit…
Not every culture went with a guard either. Thats like saying viking swords are unrealistic they would get their fingers chopped off.
The two Ivenmoths encountering one another, being startled by each other, and then becoming friends might be the genuinely cutest thing thing in the comic so far. It’s just so innocent and friendly.
Testing….
Why are you flooding the facility with a deadly neurotoxin?
I like to think that sparking this sort of discussion is just an easy way for the artist/writer to get other people to do their research for them. Anyway, I am learning things as well so please, continue. 🙂
I have said it is fun to speculate, and it is so. De boss has said they enjoy such posts in de past, as having fun sometimes is as much a creator’s zhing as a fan’s. Making money is nice, but doing zhat is a job. But as a famous person said, if you love what you do for a living, you will never work a day in your life. So, I do hope de boss enjoys their creation 8 years later as much as we do. Dere are so, so many zhings dat have yet to be explored in dis world, and even if Ran and de Trademaster are trying to piece togezher de past, what we lack IMHO is a sense of urgency as to why.
Kass and Elim are refugees from Beletam having conquered dere homeland, yes? Yet dat is all we know about it, minus a few pics of de absolute asses being curb stomped by Elim. We know de yinglet council exists, and Patriarch Narklet is bozh dere lackey, and is in ValSalia in connection wizh dat zhing dat turned Kassen into our fluff fluff princess we all adore.
De Beletan’s and de Yinglet Council bozh exist as antagonists to Kass, but are dey related somehow? And is ValSalia safe from having de same fate as Drinlan did? I zhink dere is a arms race as Beletan found somezhing dat upset de balance of powers in de region, and it came from de past. De Yinglet Council too seeks to find somezhing too, but keep it from Vislet and those she cares about. So much cloak and daggering as zhings move forwards oh so slowly wizh knowledge dey re-invent zhemselves, or re-discover de past’s knowledge and technology and take a leap over zhose who seek to do de same, similar to what the Renissance did for Earzh’s Europe.
o dang caught up, a good thing to be sad about.. im loveing everything in this sieres, keep up the awesome work!
Hope you check out the Boss’s ozher comic, “Lusty Argonian Maid’d” posted along side zhis comic on de site DeviantArt. Also, dere are ozher comics featuring Yinglets too, like de very excellent Learn to Live and Scav’s Glory (Bozh on DeviantArt). If ya appreciate de comic, don’t forget to throw de boss a dime, and vote for OOP in de top webcomic rankings @ topwebcomics.com/vote/7258